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Post by runner3 on Feb 29, 2008 16:23:03 GMT -5
When will All-County be announced?
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Post by polevaulter on Feb 29, 2008 17:07:40 GMT -5
I heard it was being done differently this year....SpongeBob, what's your take on how they are doing it and how you think the results will fall
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Post by CoachSpongeBob on Mar 1, 2008 21:37:40 GMT -5
It was done a little different, not sure how I feel, but for this season I think the same people were selected this year as they would have been had they done it the same as last year. Will it always be that way, I'm not sure.
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Post by runner3 on Mar 2, 2008 14:17:44 GMT -5
How was it done?
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Post by CoachSpongeBob on Mar 5, 2008 9:10:32 GMT -5
It just involved the coaches more, rather then putting as much weight on the county championships as they did. To me, while there is a great arguement to the contrary, I believe that if an athlete wins an individual county title, regardless of what they did the rest of the season, they should be all-county first team with no discussions needed (that was the way they used to do it), and it was just a question of how to fill out the rest of the team after that (I believe there used to always be 14 all-county athletes in outdoor track, not sure how many there are now, and if someone one multiple county titles, then an "at-large" athlete would be choosen, now it seems the strategy is that everybody is an "at-large" candidate, nobody is automatically All-County First team even if they won a county title. It is possible that someone could win a county title, but if not selected by the coaches, they won't get all-county first team, I am not saying it would happen but in this new system it is possible).
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Post by runner09 on Mar 5, 2008 17:27:31 GMT -5
Not sure that I agree with you...a good performance at Counties does not necessarily mean a good season....and shouldn't you have your whole season looked at? Do other sports pick their teams based on how they performed against only county schools? If that is the case than you need to look at MVAL performances and Regional performances where you compete against other county schools also. Take Jess Lockatell from SC...she finished 2nd at County inHigh Jump but went onto finish 1st at MVAL, Regional and State....and yet if based solely on County Meet performance she would not be considered All -County. Art Leather's would be another one who could have missed out(at least in the 800) based solely on County meet...I like the idea of having some different criteria. Track isn't like other sports where you may compete against each other several times for the County Title....you have one shot and one shot only and you have an off day there is no opportunity for redemption.
Do you know when the team will be announced?
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Post by libfan on Mar 10, 2008 8:09:55 GMT -5
Do you know when the team will be announced? The coaches have been notified and the 1st Team kids are getting their pics taken for the Times this week! |
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Post by quartermiler50 on Mar 26, 2008 6:10:57 GMT -5
Did they ever post the all county list; which approach was used and what are the criterion if any?
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Post by libfan on Mar 26, 2008 6:34:00 GMT -5
It was in the Times last Friday. It seems like you got in if you won an event at one of the championship meets....not necessarily counties.
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Post by quartermiler50 on Mar 26, 2008 6:55:12 GMT -5
So is it overall performance throughout the season or just counties? it would be interseting to know; maybe some of the coaches can comment?
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Post by CoachSpongeBob on Mar 26, 2008 8:26:39 GMT -5
Coaches decide, has nothing to do with who wins, but obviously coaches factor that in.
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Post by quartermiler50 on Mar 26, 2008 9:28:00 GMT -5
In my opinion, at least a couple of names are missing and perhaps a couple should not be on there. Just my opinion and I'm not trying to offend, but here are a few thoughts. I know this can be a touchy subject and you obviously can't make everyone happy because people make the decision; its not totally objective. My two cents: in order to take out some of the mystery and make it less of a popularity contest perhaps more objective guidelines could be used. Here are some suggestions to ponder:
-make a definition; determine the criteria (i.e., based solely on performance at Counties, or only meets at which County teams performed at or all meets during the season including Counties, MVAl and States.
-adhere to performance more than place achieved as some Classes and Regions are more competitive than others.
-don't have to reinvent the rules. Maybe just use model for selection of All-State athletes as a guideline (i.e. list event, all times achieved, running venue and make your first, second and Honorable mention team selections.
Consider this, obviously a coach of a respective team would know his or her runners the best. Therefore, the best advocate for the runner is their own Coach. So Coaches, be prepared to go to the table with numbers and argue on behalf of your athlete. Come to table with some documentation as to why the runner (he or she) should be on the All-County team and defend the runner's placement on the team.
Once again, these comments are not meant to offend. I'm sure in his or her mind they think they made the right decision.
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Post by CoachSpongeBob on Mar 26, 2008 9:40:37 GMT -5
As I said before, I think the first and foremost criterea should be the county championship. The MVAL teams are selected based off of the MVAL meet. All-American honors (high school and college) are determined off of the national championships. All-conference titles in college are determined off of their conference meets. I think how somebody does during the "regular" season in track means absolutely nothing. Regular season meets mean nothing, and the only important thing is what you do at champs. Some kids come into the season in great shape (didn't take off possibly) and burn out. I remember one athlete particularly (not this year) that beat everybody during the regular season bad all year, but burnt out and couldn't beat anybody at champs. To me, they weren't all county, they were a stud at meets that had no meaning. The only POSSIBLE exception to that is injuries, and even then I am not sure. If you don't compete at the county meet, how can you be all-county. Sure you may be all-conference, or all-state (our state doesn't really do all-state, other states do, and it's based off of the state meet). All-Metro is always based on the entire season (but champs is much more important) mainly because they are comparing athletes from all over - private and public, that don't often compete against each other.
I just think, if you win a county title, no matter how your season was, you should be all-county. You showed up on the big day. We don't have a regular season title (some counties do), and so what you do in meets that mean nothing I just don't see how it can have a barring on who is all-county. What you do at a meet that doesn't have all the county schools in it, I don't think that necessarily is a good way either. The county meet has everybody, and I think that is the best measure. I think the biggest question is how to deal with relay teams that win. I don't think the entire relay team should be all-county, but I think on every winning relay team there should be at least one all-county athlete.
That is just my view on it
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Post by quartermiler50 on Mar 27, 2008 7:06:49 GMT -5
I think the definition is the key so if its based just on the performance at Counties than it is what is. I've been involved with soccer and baseball, and the All-county selection is not based on a particular game or tournament so I guess Track is just different.
regarding "our state doesn't really do all-state, other states do, and it's based off of the state meet", I'm confused on that one. On the Digital Sports-Running Maryaland site, there are several articles regarding All-State selections (Distance, sprints...) and they list the time achieved and the meet where it was achieveved; looks like its in Md.
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Post by CoachSpongeBob on Mar 27, 2008 8:50:57 GMT -5
Well, that is Running Maryland's selections for All-State. That isn't an official title (as far as I know at least). The state isn't recognizing you as All-State, and it isn't something you could put on a sports resume. Not taking anything away from what they do, but it's not an official thing. Technically the Carroll County Times All-County team is not official either (Baltimore Sun has an All-County team for Carroll too), but the MVAL Teams are official - given out by the conference. Some states actually recognize all-state athletes. That's what I mean.
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